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Away Support; In comparison to Home
Topic Started: Jan 24 2010, 11:47 AM (728 Views)
poppa999
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Jan 24 2010, 12:53 PM
Perhaps, just perhaps, a fair few people go to St Andrews to watch the game.

I take it that what constitutes "amazing support" for you is "singing loud for the full ninety minutes".

I think I may be right in saying that most people who attend a football match pay their hard-earned money to be entertained watching a football match, not singing for ninety minutes.............I'm sure events like Glastonbury are for that.

I like the singing, it drowns the moaning of those who only go to watch! :o
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I think we need the singing section idea again and more importatly people need to be willing to participate, Ie. move to the area and actualy sit there.

The previous board promoted the idea of a singing area but there wasnt much discussion or people moving there from other seats so the idea didnt work.

There are a couple of pockets in the tilton and a couple in the kop who sing, if the 4 seperate pockets, plus other sporadic people who want to sing moved into 2 blocks the noise would be phenominal.

Therefore, how about a vote about the best blocks for the area and then we put a suggestion to the club to see if it could be promoted next season as a singing area? my suggestion would be two blocks, one an upper block and one a lower block to accomodate different people who like to sit in different positions to the pitch (ie. tilton blocks 5 & 6 or 7 & 8. I would suggest in the middle of a stand would be best as then your not away in the corner and people on either side of the designated two singing blocks would join in.

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Therefore, how about a vote about the best blocks for the area and then we put a suggestion to the club to see if it could be promoted next season as a singing area? my suggestion would be two blocks, one an upper block and one a lower block to accomodate different people who like to sit in different positions to the pitch (ie. tilton blocks 5 & 6 or 7 & 8. I would suggest in the middle of a stand would be best as then your not away in the corner and people on either side of the designated two singing blocks would join in.


Sounds like a good idea to me. I see what your getting at but I do see a flaw.

The fact is you can't force people to sing. There will be people in the Tilton who have sat there for 30+ years. But they don't neccesarily sing really loud anymore. Some people feel a bit more conscious of this behaviour in public as they get older. It's not wrong it's just that they dont want to be seen in a daft way. But they do want to enjoy the atmosphere so they want to stay in the Tilton.

Also families go there as well. They enjoy the passion whatever you want to call it. Also the fact it's a few quid cheaper for mum, dad and kids make's a big difference. Songs vary in their form from supportive to derisory which splits the participation.

Im not deliberately trashing your idea and maybe trying to get the club to say this is singing area so people who buy tickets there know what to expect is a good thing. Also word of mouth and a little organisation to try and get people with like minded ways of supporting could make the vocal all the louder. I do have feeling that your plans would be sabotaged by the "innocent" just wanting to go along and support as they usually do but by all means try. It wold be great to hear.
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I for one was amaised by the Everton fans when the guy who had been out 11 months came on, I thought,hell they must love him.........My first time at Goodison park, thought it was a real football ground,good atmostphere........clever the way they kept us down the bottom in the pit,i was right at the front, we did'nt make much noise into the stadium, the sound was lost in that poccky hole,clever.....we should do the same at st andrews..........
"we are unbeatable" wasn't they great yesterday...
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Jan 24 2010, 05:11 PM
I think we need the singing section idea again and more importatly people need to be willing to participate, Ie. move to the area and actualy sit there.

The previous board promoted the idea of a singing area but there wasnt much discussion or people moving there from other seats so the idea didnt work.

There are a couple of pockets in the tilton and a couple in the kop who sing, if the 4 seperate pockets, plus other sporadic people who want to sing moved into 2 blocks the noise would be phenominal.

Therefore, how about a vote about the best blocks for the area and then we put a suggestion to the club to see if it could be promoted next season as a singing area? my suggestion would be two blocks, one an upper block and one a lower block to accomodate different people who like to sit in different positions to the pitch (ie. tilton blocks 5 & 6 or 7 & 8. I would suggest in the middle of a stand would be best as then your not away in the corner and people on either side of the designated two singing blocks would join in.

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It is a great idea Pooley, but I cant help but feel there may be more demand for the upper stand rather then a lower down one due to view?

I think it would be interesting to see how it worked out if the stand way above the Railway / Away fans turned into a singing bit... Its right by the away fans and a great view to compensate for the lack of proximity to the other Bluenoses...

I grew up calling it the Olympic Gallery, it may have changed names now though? It stands out up there on its own, would be great to turn it into a beacon of noise and energy

But I know there would be fans up there that love their seats and see no reason why they should be re-located due to the idea
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Jan 24 2010, 05:48 PM
I for one was amaised by the Everton fans when the guy who had been out 11 months came on, I thought,hell they must love him.........My first time at Goodison park, thought it was a real football ground,good atmostphere........clever the way they kept us down the bottom in the pit,i was right at the front, we did'nt make much noise into the stadium, the sound was lost in that poccky hole,clever.....we should do the same at st andrews..........
"we are unbeatable" wasn't they great yesterday...

Yeah Mikel Arteta is like the Cesc Fabregas of Everton, a truly class player, he is the main man they have been waiting for to turn their under-average season into a good one...

Just abit of knowledge on the side, Mcleish was the one who bought him to Britain when he bought him for Rangers for about 6.5million, all the Rangers fans absolutely loved him but after 2 seasons he had to be sold to Real Sociedad because of injuries...

I was talking to my mates the other day, and I said If Mcleish sees a similar player in Michel, and if Michel can have as good an impact over here as Arteta has then I would be very happy, as hes worth about 20million now!

But back to the point it was funny yday when all the evertonians cheered their hearts out when he came onto the pitch, and then one of our lads tackled him straight away as Arteta had his first touch and all the Blues fans cheered even louder haha I love stuff like that!






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If you want a sinbg section I think it would have to be in the Tilton it wouldnt work anywhere else because the fans that wabt to give it large will go in the Tilton. Tradition. Given the demography as I see it Im not sure you could achieve it.

I tell you one thing if you want to get more people singing - clean up the songs then more people will be willing to join in.

At Rugby the whole ground sing because it's a hymn. Some people will find it too rude to sing SOTV and the like.

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Jan 24 2010, 05:37 PM
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Therefore, how about a vote about the best blocks for the area and then we put a suggestion to the club to see if it could be promoted next season as a singing area? my suggestion would be two blocks, one an upper block and one a lower block to accomodate different people who like to sit in different positions to the pitch (ie. tilton blocks 5 & 6 or 7 & 8. I would suggest in the middle of a stand would be best as then your not away in the corner and people on either side of the designated two singing blocks would join in.


Sounds like a good idea to me. I see what your getting at but I do see a flaw.

The fact is you can't force people to sing. There will be people in the Tilton who have sat there for 30+ years. But they don't neccesarily sing really loud anymore. Some people feel a bit more conscious of this behaviour in public as they get older. It's not wrong it's just that they dont want to be seen in a daft way. But they do want to enjoy the atmosphere so they want to stay in the Tilton.

Also families go there as well. They enjoy the passion whatever you want to call it. Also the fact it's a few quid cheaper for mum, dad and kids make's a big difference. Songs vary in their form from supportive to derisory which splits the participation.

Im not deliberately trashing your idea and maybe trying to get the club to say this is singing area so people who buy tickets there know what to expect is a good thing. Also word of mouth and a little organisation to try and get people with like minded ways of supporting could make the vocal all the louder. I do have feeling that your plans would be sabotaged by the "innocent" just wanting to go along and support as they usually do but by all means try. It wold be great to hear.

if it is promoted as a singing area it is upto people if they want to sit there or not. I know what you mean about people not wanting to sing and having been in one place for years but thats no different to the people in the main stand who have season tickets there, and people are always suggesting moving the away fans there, if you do that then the st holders there will be upset because they will have to move so the suggestion im making is no different.

I just think we should put the feelers out and see what people think. We know from awaydays how loud a few thousand fans who want to sing can be
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tony123
Jan 24 2010, 06:04 PM
I tell you one thing if you want to get more people singing - clean up the songs then more people will be willing to join in.

true more might join in, but it would never happen!

football songs have always sworn alot and always will, and it makes more of an impact generally.

i mean you cant sing "idiot! idiot! idiot!" if the ref is giving loads of decisions against you, because youd just sound like little kids!

thing is that football has traditionally been a game supported by men and thats why the songs are like they are.

if people take kids, they should sit in the family stand, and id say thats the only place you could complain about people swearing in.
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true more might join in, but it would never happen!

football songs have always sworn alot and always will, and it makes more of an impact generally.

i mean you cant sing "idiot! idiot! idiot!" if the ref is giving loads of decisions against you, because youd just sound like little kids!

thing is that football has traditionally been a game supported by men and thats why the songs are like they are.

if people take kids, they should sit in the family stand, and id say thats the only place you could complain about people swearing in.


Interesting this the evolution of soccer support. It used to be a game for the working class that you could enjoy and take the family to. Sing, shout, wave your rattle. Few bobbies would watch the game and supervise and that was it.

With drinking and hoolihanism it became a much more edgy thing to do go to the match. Watching out for trouble and the like. In the 80's it was at it's worst almost tribal at times. As more and more money came into the game it also became a lot more expensive and families pulled away for cost and the edgy element lowered the enjoyment. For many the entertainment value wasnt worth the money and hastle. Some clubs survived with full support but these were in towns where football and culture are intertwined such as Liverpool and Newcastle.

In the 90's it toned down alot all seater grounds, better facilities (toilets) made it a bit more "civilised" more girls were going to matches it became acceptable again you were no longer a hooligan if you went to a football match.

Now we seem to be in a mix which does not compliment each other. Those who want a bit of passion banter whatever enjoy it away because that's half the reason for going. But they get muted at home by the "milder" supprter families and the like. The "milder" supporter have to put up with the language, actions of the more passionate dare I say it hostile for want of word who enjoy the banter and barracking.

Both types of supporters need to tolerate, accept and suuport the other in their right to be there as long as the more exuberent fans accept there is a limit.
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Jan 24 2010, 04:58 PM
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Jan 24 2010, 12:53 PM
Perhaps, just perhaps, a fair few people go to St Andrews to watch the game.

I take it that what constitutes "amazing support" for you is "singing loud for the full ninety minutes".

I think I may be right in saying that most people who attend a football match pay their hard-earned money to be entertained watching a football match, not singing for ninety minutes.............I'm sure events like Glastonbury are for that.

I like the singing, it drowns the moaning of those who only go to watch! :o

Im surrounded by people who dont sing and just constantly snipe and moan about everything, no matter what... is rather annoying
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Jan 24 2010, 07:04 PM
tony123
Jan 24 2010, 06:04 PM
I tell you one thing if you want to get more people singing - clean up the songs then more people will be willing to join in.

true more might join in, but it would never happen!

football songs have always sworn alot and always will, and it makes more of an impact generally.

i mean you cant sing "idiot! idiot! idiot!" if the ref is giving loads of decisions against you, because youd just sound like little kids!

thing is that football has traditionally been a game supported by men and thats why the songs are like they are.

if people take kids, they should sit in the family stand, and id say thats the only place you could complain about people swearing in.

I dont think,

'Lay your faeces on the Villa

Or

Poo on the Villa

Has the same ring to it **thumbup
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Im surrounded by people who dont sing and just constantly snipe and moan about everything, no matter what... is rather annoying


Maybe you should move to the singing section.
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Jan 24 2010, 07:29 PM
Both types of supporters need to tolerate, accept and suuport the other in their right to be there as long as the more exuberent fans accept there is a limit.

true thats what the family stand is for though - if you take kids really you should go there, unless you are happy for them to hear the more passionate songs.

if there was then a safe standing section, where the people who like to sing and shout can go that would make it fair for all IMO.

personally i love the singing and chants at other teams/players and getting behind our own. if i only went for the quality of the football, theres many times there wouldnt have been any point me going!

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I dont think,

'Lay your faeces on the Villa

Or

Poo on the Villa

Has the same ring to it thumbup.gif


haha no it doesnt! although i remember on the train back from Preston to New st after the Burnley game, the police were in full blooded Stormtrooper mode, and told everyone to stop swearing, so everyone started singing "POO ON THE VILLA" :LMAO:
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poppa999
Jan 24 2010, 04:58 PM
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Jan 24 2010, 12:53 PM
Perhaps, just perhaps, a fair few people go to St Andrews to watch the game.

I take it that what constitutes "amazing support" for you is "singing loud for the full ninety minutes".

I think I may be right in saying that most people who attend a football match pay their hard-earned money to be entertained watching a football match, not singing for ninety minutes.............I'm sure events like Glastonbury are for that.

I like the singing, it drowns the moaning of those who only go to watch! :o

:LMAO:

I want to be in the laughing block with you.


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